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human species
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:52 pm
by Terry W
Human species being different means that their will arise a dominant-submissive struggle amongst the species and that attacking the most powerful means that the smaller species will have more.
Re: human species
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:54 pm
by wvanfleet
What I was concerned about was when you were stating that humans consisted of 3 or more species. Are you still maintaining that?
Re: human species
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:05 am
by Terry W
What is your concern?
Re: human species
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:22 am
by wvanfleet
That you were proposing a highly inaccurate belief to go in the Belief Manual, one considered inaccurate by those most knowledgeable in the relevant areas. I value accuracy of belief, and feel some protectiveness for the Belief Manual. Probably somewhat of an over-reaction. But also demonstrating the purpose of the BM and the Forum, namely, coming together in agreement with increasingly accurate beliefs.
Re: human species
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:00 am
by Terry W
The belief that their are no races and sex does not determine gender would be of lesser concern than what is in the BM is problematic.
Do you believe their are human races?
Re: human species
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:01 pm
by wvanfleet
From another post:
"Species is a technical term, and is based upon findings of science. Humans are one species.
Race is a non-technical term, and is based primarily upon appearance and family history. It is the human species' way of viewing differences within the human species."
Re: human species
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:45 am
by Terry W
The science is settled, I want to know for my own knowledge if we say humans are one species like this.
Genus -> Species -> SubSpecies -> Variant
We stop seeing differences in the human species after the Genus group with no detectable differences after in the Species, Subspecies, and Variant groups? Correct?
Re: human species
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:19 pm
by Terry W
Human genetic diversity: Lewontin’s fallacy
A.W.F. Edwards
https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/d ... 1&type=pdf
Summary
In popular articles that play down the genetical differences among human populations, it is often stated that
about 85% of the total genetical variation is due to
individual differences within populations and only 15%
to differences between populations or ethnic groups. It
has therefore been proposed that the division of Homo
sapiens into these groups is not justified by the genetic
data. This conclusion, due to R.C. Lewontin in 1972, is
unwarranted because the argument ignores the fact
that most of the information that distinguishes populations is hidden in the correlation structure of the data
and not simply in the variation of the individual factors.
The underlying logic, which was discussed in the early
years of the last century, is here discussed using a simple
genetical example. BioEssays 25:798
This is the predominant view of the Social Science's and Universities established in the 1960's
Human Genetic Diversity: Lewontin's Fallacy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Gen ... 7s_Fallacy
Support and criticism
Evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins discusses genetic variation across human races in his book The Ancestor's Tale.[4] In the chapter "The Grasshopper's Tale", he characterizes the genetic variation between races as a very small fraction of the total human genetic variation, but he disagrees with Lewontin's conclusions about taxonomy, writing, "However small the racial partition of the total variation may be, if such racial characteristics as there are highly correlate with other racial characteristics, they are by definition informative, and therefore of taxonomic significance."[4] Neven Sesardić has argued that, unbeknownst to Edwards, Jeffry B. Mitton already made the same argument about Lewontin's claim in two articles published in The American Naturalist in the late 1970s.[10][11][12]
EPAS1
However, several characterized alleles of EPAS1 contribute to high-altitude adaptation in humans.[9][10] One such allele, which has been inherited from Denisovan archaic hominins, is known to confer increased athletic performance in some people, and has therefore been referred to as the "super athlete gene".[11]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPAS1
The fixation index (FST) pronounced ("Fist")
The fixation index (FST) is a measure of population differentiation due to genetic structure. It is frequently estimated from genetic polymorphism data, such as single-nucleotide polymorphisms (SNP) or microsatellites. Developed as a special case of Wright's F-statistics, it is one of the most commonly used statistics in population genetics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixation_index
The social sciences may be representing their Social Science perspective based upon FsT pronounced ("Fist")
A movement within the sciences, social sciences, and the people. It has no organization and anyone can be a member
who advocates for the social change that Fist allows or FsT, a movement with no species
A group difference that has signs and symbols that are understood by outgroup and not by ingroup members, as differences are opposed.
Re: human species
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:38 pm
by wvanfleet
You state, "A group like Humanianity that believes in no species separation." This sounds like you do not know what "Humanianity" means. Humanianity is not a group. It is a psychosocial movement within our species. Check out humanianity.com.
Re: human species
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:47 pm
by Terry W
The similarities to BLM and Humanianity are startling, as they both advocate for change in the psycho-social, it is the same thing. As the Gov't sponsors it as a religion and a scientific movement.
Re: human species
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:56 pm
by Terry W
I took out the species part as the scientists don't classify all species using the same metrics.
Re: human species
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:16 pm
by wvanfleet
[The similarities to BLM and Humanianity are startling, as they both advocate for change in the psycho-social, it is the same thing. As the Gov't sponsors it as a religion and a scientific movement.]
Where does the "Gov't sponsors it as a religion and a scientific movement." I assume you mean BLM only, not including Humanianity.
[I took out the species part as the scientists don't classify all species using the same metrics.]
Took it out where?
Re: human species
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:28 pm
by Terry W
Right, the gov't is not funding either, the gov't gives no money to those who support it
Its a movement within a movement to bring about the change for the people (its like gorilla warfare it is the advocation for change as the gorilla can't escape on its own)
The proverbial gorilla being our basic hominid nature that we cannot change.
If two things do the same thing are they the same thing?
not everywhere
Re: human species
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2021 3:11 pm
by wvanfleet
What is "it"?
[If two things do the same thing are they the same thing?]
No.
Re: human species
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2021 5:05 pm
by Terry W
clines
